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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:03 pm

As like I said before cup started spawnkill should be allowed...
Maybe those low clans like twt and soh would not join at begging but still they dropped while tournament when they got humiliated.
I dont know who is on referee list and in my opinion it should be published. That isn't first time when we faced lack of judge. In our game we had as well wait for referee to take screen shot.
No offence but you didnt found enough ppl to care about game. In other hand some ppl picked by you didnt know how to change map. I guess WM could help you in that case but you didnt asked and we thought there is enough ppl to control all games.
Right now even when 1 of ref passed game and claimed vip was enough near you are trying to change decision.
Instead of play and focus on game you need to care about some 2,3 sec and control how far is vip. Anyway what mean if vip is enough near or not. I guess if you ask 10 different ppl it will be 10 different definitions. Im reading that topic with embarrassment.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:17 pm

Agree with Tom and Michal. I think a lot of people agree with me that a tournament without rules would have been much more interesting, as it shows pure skill and game play. This 'no spawn' rule caused already so much trouble in other tournaments... and in my opinion it limits team and player skills drastically. You simply cannot play freely, you always got in mind/need to think before shooting if you are allowed to or rather get killed on purpose to not lose a fucking round. I have the feeling that there are a few teams that specially pick maps with high risk of accidental spawn kill potential or where spawn crosses exit and are just looking for winning rounds due to 'rule violoations'. All that is sad to see, specially for a last tournament.


Now to main topic here: I think thats what we got referees for. Deal with it like in the real world and international sports: The referee is always right. Accept it or not, factual decision. Decision is decision. You may complain afterwards but in almost all cases you won't have success! So please deal with it...

And the logged time may not be 100% accurate anyway. Please don't tell me a few milliseconds would have changed a lot in that game.



And who is interested or wants to dig into it, public server .log can be found here:
ftp://chatlog@176.57.129.81:55521

If you get asked for password, just ignore/press OK.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:26 pm

Just getting to what you say rugi:-

[24/8/2014 20:49:33]: Say: |MYT|Edward_REF(VIEW): i propose to re play the "round" when i was alone....
[24/8/2014 20:49:35]: TeamSay: qR|Unn: haha
[24/8/2014 20:49:38]: Say: qR|tommyHILFIGER: no lol
[24/8/2014 20:49:38]: Say: |MYT|Edward_REF(VIEW): if qR is ok ?
[24/8/2014 20:49:40]: Say: qR|ongeL: lol
[24/8/2014 20:49:40]: TeamSay: qR|Unn: ausgezecihnet
[24/8/2014 20:49:44]: Say: qR|tommyHILFIGER: why?
[24/8/2014 20:49:47]: Say: qR|tommyHILFIGER: we made rush up
[24/8/2014 20:49:49]: Say: |BuG_MaSteR_: we have not time clearly
[24/8/2014 20:49:50]: Say: qR|tommyHILFIGER: and arrested vip
[24/8/2014 20:49:52]: Say: |MYT|Edward_REF(VIEW): anyway, report will be and you could lost it.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:30 pm

Foodwall was their choice.
Our protest that we were forced to start as suspects on their map was ignored by ref.
Shouldn't we be allowed to choose either on which map to start or at which team?
Anyway spawnkill is not allowed, the borders are set arbitrarily, it could have also been 5s or as on some 1.0 servers even entirely forbidden to shoot at respawn^^
They broke the rule and ref made clear that it is viewed after the map, which I also pointed out before their senseless extra map started, where only half our team was left on server...

Now idk what is taking so long... its unquestionable proof for illegal spawnkill so...

And ofc they say they have no time to replay that round, but in fact we were missing our players which had to leave for their extra map and they had time endlessly when everyone waited for them to rejoin server after they crashed...
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:37 pm

I need to agree with Rugi on this one.

I have no idea how all this even happend since this is unacceptable but hey Wink life. Decision was made by the ref already while all that happend and as edward said "its okay", the match ended and there should be no discussion if there was some kind of SK or not, referee already decided long time before.

Why would you wanna change the score AFTER the match? Edward is being spammed by ESA and most likely manipulated so now he clearly doesnt even know what happend. The first decision is the last decision , the end.

Also its rather hilarious coming from Riddick that Hospital is somehow BS map, qRage has more skilled players than ESA by far, they maybe dont know much about vip or so but they got skill, its not shame to lose against them.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:47 pm

Hello sonny, thanks for your words. Without your words we can never get to know what should be done.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:48 pm

I am always willing to share my words of wisdom with indians and ESA, my big friends.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:53 pm

Yes you can shut up if you don't even know what's going on.
I never said hospital is BS map, I said hospital was THEIR choice, not ours...
And also I said
[24/8/2014 21:39:51]: Say: RId: if 6-6, u look in chatlog that they spawnkilled us in fw
[24/8/2014 21:39:54]: Say: RId: and we go home
Ref said same during foodwall match...they could have replayed the round rather than claiming to be short on time, and waste our time by extra map and being short with players so we had to skip rounds...
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:53 pm

Yes you did that in past too, got some forum topics full of that Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:54 pm

Man I'm so glad SWAT4 era is finally gonna be over.

No more of this lame situations and, most importantly, no more : ''YOU KILLED MY ARREST FUCKING NOOB *teamtazed because I saved the prick from going into blind arrest attempt while tons of SWAT are around; and we both die because of that tase* '' kind of things. Yeeeey!


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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:33 pm

All hail Linux Very Happy and sry for offtopic
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:57 pm

pff bug now u complain about me -_- , can u remember how much time u said let bravo join
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:15 pm

Ok so after about 7 hours talking with the referee and dealing with raging ESA's and qRage's, this is the final decision:

The round in which the spawnkill took place will be replayed. The score will be set to 6-5 in ESA's favour, on Foodwall map and qRage will be SWAT. If ESA win the round, they win 7-5 overall and the 3rd map will become void, meaning they progress. If qRage win the round, it will be 6-6 but qRage will progress because of their victory on the 3rd map. Basically, its a winner-takes-all round, which is fked up, but the situation has left us like this..

The only other solution is for the entire match to be replayed, but both teams have to agree for that (and I dunno that will happen). Now onto the FAQ:

This is not fair, you ****
There is the ONLY fair resolution. There are many confusing and contrasting reports. Both sides think they are being unfairly treated, but ultimately this problem has arisen because a proper decision was not made by the referee in the server at the time. The viewpoint of the referee also changed partway through, which has lead to this drama.

I'm not gonna play/my team is not going to play
You can do whatever you want. If one team drops out, the other goes through, simple as that.

How is this going to be organized?
If time cannot be agreed, organizer will force. But ultimately, it is 1 round to play, so it can be scheduled an hour or 30 mins before the final. I will ask all three teams (including WM) individually the times that suit them best.

You hate qRage, don't you?
No, I don't.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:47 pm

Now to reply some ppl:

BuG_MaSteR wrote:
Btw why bravo play with you, when we played vs him in tourney when he was in soh? Is it legal? So can we can cartel players to play with us in final..? Smile))
SoH got disqualified, and their results discounted from the table. That's why Bravo was allowed to play again.

Michal wrote:
In our game we had as well wait for referee to take screen shot.

Which game? vs DoK? I was talking to Kiehs the whole time, telling him that me and Dida will come 10-15 minutes after start time because DoK will likely no-show. We didn't need to take screenshot as it was already a tracked server. If I didn't have a bad past with you I would've told you on xfire Very Happy

Michal wrote:
No offence but you didnt found enough ppl to care about game

That's true. There are usually about 20-30 people online on xfire, but there are unlimited excuses. The only people who I know will definetely come (if they are online) are ghost_assassin and Dida. One of them is ESA, one of them qRage. You can see how the drama started in that game. People gotta walk their pet dogs, watch TV, wank, play another game, I heard it all in this tourney. I did actually ask, I think in Week 2, that if we get games which clash, then ref support is really welcomed.

Michal wrote:
Right now even when 1 of ref passed game and claimed vip was enough near you are trying to change decision

The result was going to stay 9-6 to qRage, until the ref from Foodwall told me that he felt it could've actually been illegal SK. If you look logs, he asks qR after round, if they want to replay the round or risk losing it later. I have never seen a ref give somebody a choice like that. It wasn't because he got 'manipulated' or forced by ESA, he admitted to not knowing which guy actually committed the spawn. Ultimately I can't blame him though, atleast he was willing to devote time to be a ref, even if many mistakes were made..

RuGiZuGi wrote:
I think a lot of people agree with me that a tournament without rules would have been much more interesting, as it shows pure skill and game play. This 'no spawn' rule caused already so much trouble in other tournaments... and in my opinion it limits team and player skills drastically.

As a 1.0 player, I got ridiculed by many 1.1 players when the 1.0 VIP League was organized back in 2012 (the hfbc days). These current rules, also used in WC last year, have been copied from Pimp's rulebook (excluding prehurt) that he successfully enforced in some previous tourneys that were praised by 1.1 players. But yes I know what you are saying.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:58 pm

Okay jesus christ, i see that it is a big deal here so i can even volunteer to be a referee for this important match cause it rests on who we play in the final. Also i think the decision is so far the best one instead of replaying the entire match cause that is so time consuming.

But i also think this case has gotten way out of hand, for example in our case vs cartel we reckoned they spawnkilled us but both refs said "we play on, vip was near, i think that 'spawnkill' was nothing" so we didn't pursue it further and we had to respect the referee's decisions instead we focussed on winning the remaining rounds to ensure victory. Therefore in my opinion a loss is a loss you can make excuses all you like but its not going to take anything away from qR's victory in the rounds they won.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:19 am

You want play without rules, but the no prehurt rule comes from you...
We also prefer to play with spawnkill allowed, we run the only vip server atm where spawnkill is allowed...
But here it's not allowed and so don't bother when this rule is broken by someone it's none of your business...
And btw tons of cheers for you to not further complain on server for spawnkill after you won 8:1...

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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 am

RId wrote:

And btw tons of cheers for you to not further complain on server for spawnkill after you won 8:1...

Maybe they just have more honour than you ftw pricks.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:35 am

We start 20 min late cause we wait for your team. Ref chooses your map, you have advantage to start as swat.
Ref is afk when you spawnkill (talking about honor, the proof is clear that you spawnkilled, noone saw VIP near but still you bi**h around...), gives you opportunity to replay the round asap, you say you have no time...
Then on Rivrside again we have to wait 10 min for your players, sums up to half hour delay already (talking about "no time"). Our first players have to leave already, then you can choose the extra map, you still have plenty of time out of a sudden Smile
And when two refs would have been on server and see VIP is near our spawn (which he wasnt, in restaurant...) then the discussion would have been shorter. But one afk ref getting sth to drink during round, well.

And talking about honor again, you cry nonstop to restart rounds when your players drop from server during the round lol...We waited half an hour for you, what else do you want...
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:39 am

The round will be replayed because of a single spawnkill, lets all accept it now shall we?

Arguing about it aftewards is really shit and makes no sense. @Rid i doubt WM gives a f**k about being spawnkilled nor spawnkilling.

I just know its gonna suck for qRage because its only one round, this is what ESA will do, they will camp and pray for qRage mistake. Now ehm if i would be qRage i wouldnt mind loosing against ESA.

Whatever happens and whoever really wins it, it shouldnt matter...so f**k it.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:21 am

Rid, if I would lose in BS tourney against VIP team I would stfu and do not complain about single kill, cause it was shameful. I know you little fag can't learn to lose so you try to find as much excuses as you can. Dont fucking tell me you cared about our crashed players cuz you won a round "thanks" that.    If we gonna even take part in this "sick" action which is repeat of round I gonna pwn you so hard and this time admins wont help you. Go and f**k urself now.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:47 am

Some more namecalling plz..
If you win this round I have no problem, but win it fair this time then Smile
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:56 am

Hahaha Riddick you do make me laugh Very Happy, i will inform you a little about our match where we complained about spawnkill.
The round in which they did spawnkilled we were winning only 3-0, had it finished the other way that round they could have easily made it into 3-1 and then a round later 3-2 so yes the result could have been alot closer than 8-1, but still we didn't complain after because we don't keep complaining after its been decided by the refs.
So yes tons of cheers cause we didn't complain about spawnkill like you did.
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:11 pm

From start you lied, but you have "honor".
Play this round or don't, there won't be crying/bitching afterwards, if you win or lose...
at least from our part...

[24/8/2014 20:1:51]: Say: ||ESA||RIddIcK: can u load riverside ed?
[24/8/2014 20:7:34]: Say: |BuG_MaSteR_: map guys?
[24/8/2014 20:7:41]: Say: ||ESA||Pennywise: river
[24/8/2014 20:7:59]: TeamSay: |BuG_MaSteR_: riverside
[24/8/2014 20:8:20]: TeamSay: qR|tommyHILFIGER: propose for our map?
[24/8/2014 20:8:25]: TeamSay: |BuG_MaSteR_: food
[24/8/2014 20:8:42]: Say: qR|tommyHILFIGER: foodwall
[24/8/2014 20:9:17]: Say: |MYT|Edward_REF: ESA do you know your map ?
[24/8/2014 20:9:21]: Say: ||ESA||Pennywise: rIVER
[24/8/2014 20:9:46]: Say: |MYT|Edward_REF: ok River Side for ESA.
[24/8/2014 20:9:51]: Say: |MYT|Edward_REF: qR did you choose your map ?
[24/8/2014 20:9:55]: Say: |BuG_MaSteR_: foodwall
[24/8/2014 20:10:52]: Say: ||ESA||RIddIcK: ok riverside plz
[24/8/2014 20:11:2]: TeamSay: |BuG_MaSteR_: put foodwall first pls
[24/8/2014 20:11:3]: TeamSay: |BuG_MaSteR_: D
[24/8/2014 20:11:10]: TeamSay: qR|Unn: yes we ve chosen first^^
[24/8/2014 20:11:16]: TeamSay: qR|tommyHILFIGER: +1
Ref loads FW first...
[24/8/2014 20:16:31]: Say: ||ESA||RIddIcK: bäh why this map first
[24/8/2014 20:16:37]: Say: qR|ongeL: ref are sold
and @Charfire....
You had 2 refs taking care about this situation while our one ref wasn't there and his decision was to view logs afterwards or restart round and qR was against the latter offer...
So logs have been viewed, proof is clear, still this round has to be replayed ...
Better than nothing ...
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:52 pm

I don't see how making one map first can influence entire match. If you trained your map, you will win, whether it is first one or second one played. Really no difference, just a bit more pressure knowing you need to win because you need to catch up with result, but if you think more about it, you got pressure in all rounds to win, so no idea what that is all about.

By the way maybe referee flipped a coin at home? Very Happy

Anyway let's see that decisive round and flaming afterwards. Won't be surprised if it would be replayed again Very Happy

Won't comment posts about our spawnkill complaints because it is pointless to say anything if referee said to go on with game, and so we did. Anyway thanks for cheering!
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PostSubject: Re: [SEMI FINAL 2] qRage vs ESA: 9-6   Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:21 pm

The round you were talking about charfire is the one where you ran out of spawn. Rules suggest that you are only safe for 3sec and inside spawn but if you run out of spawn and expect suspect to not kill you, then you are dreaming.

About lots of saying what ref says? ref said on server that he will check logs later and will decide on round( go check logs). Yesterday when i talked to ref he said that was illegal spawnkill.

But still sun showing favor to qR ( who are nothing more than little girls crying like shit) and tell to replay.

I still don't get it how can sun make this decision when there was enough proofs that it was illegal spawnkill, ref also said it was illegal spawn kill.

This is ridiculous decision in my point of view. So good job all who spammed here to get things done for qR.

And to my little friend sonny - No one matches you. You have literally cried on every forum of swat 4. Try to check your past and then say things. But you are a dumb kid you wont hold yourself so spam here until some administrator bans you
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