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Shall we add this rule?
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PostSubject: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:35 pm

Hello,

I wanted to propose to add a new "rule".

Each player will have to record a video of every round and the opponents can ask to post it, in the same way, if you know someone used a bug or made spawn during the game, you will have a proof to show it (this is the main function).

There is a program called "Bandicam", It's used to record videos (like fraps) but more light. Using settings I will post now the size of 1 round (of 7 minutes) will be 45MB. 45MB x 4 rounds = 180MB easily uploadable, taking around 20 minutes (I will post also many links of free storage hosters).

P.S.: This program does not make fps drop during the game (looks like turned off) just set the fps limit taking a look about your real fps in-game, check "Set limit FPS" and "Just in registration" (in FPS sheet).

For example, if you got 90fps, you will have to set 90fps as "limit".

Obviously set also the HotKey to run/stop rec.

(The program must be started before to start a game)

Download program:
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http://www.bandicam.com/

Info installation:
1. Download
2. Unrar
3. Choose x64 (64bit) or x86 (32bit)
4. Install (don't run it at the end)
5. ***
6. Launch Bandicam Launcher (admin rights)
7. Press "5", send
8. Modify settings
9. Run game, join a server
10. Start rec

Bandicam settings (very good sound and good video quality):
mediafire.com ?u85v82ysq2as2o3

Free storage hosters:
mozy.com
omemo.com
box.net
mediafire.com
upload.divshare.com
yousendit.com
senduit.com
4shared.com
megashares.com
imageshack.us

Well, try it and reply.

Adding this new rule, there will not be any doubts about players and noone will use bugs or will made spawn.

Obviously if the match will be played fairly from both sides there will not need to upload any video.

It has to be recorded, but if 4/4 players agree to don't use it, it will be ok (to prevent mistakes and whine would be better get a screenshot of it)

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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:39 pm

well, interesting post. you have any example of video made like this?

anyway it will have to be tested before will appear as a rule
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:18 pm

poll added Wink
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:28 pm

Demo version - watermark on top and 10 minuts recording limit
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:37 pm

yeah, there was rule update - now round will have 15min.

Anyway it can be good tool for all Players, for examle before every spawn you can switch on recording to get it recorded, or if you see someone using bugs etc
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:44 pm

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you have any example of video made like this?

Just try it.

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yeah, there was rule update - now round will have 15min.

It would have been better 7mins...
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:02 pm

ech, i heard few complains that BS players used to have 15min rounds, we will concider it
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:20 pm

That's a good idea.

At least protest wll be easier to solve
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:54 pm

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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:54 pm

I suppose if bf3 so heavy game does support it, swat4 should be easy lol
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:01 pm

ehhhhhhh i dont think its a good idea. i mean if some1 uses bugs or makes spawn u can take video then.
but using this all the time makes it so much more complicated to play match cuz every1 need to have videos and every1 need to check if its on for every1 and blabla Neutral
+ i cant believe its lagg free.

even using uac3 during game makes me pissed cuz we need to wait 20 mins for ppl to get there and still some ppl have problems with it. + its not lagg free. but i get it ofc cuz its to prevent cheats so np.
but this isnt so necessary.

this could be solved by using referees like so far in ever tourny.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:31 pm

1. If both team agree to don't use it, it will not be used (then people have not to cry if will get spawn, bugs etc. and can't proove it) but if just one wants to see videos, at the end of the match, then everyone has to use it.

2. It doesn't take anything, just start it, join a server and press a key.

3. At the end of the game opponents can ask to post videos if someone made something unfair (obviously posting their videos too if required from other team).

4.Noone has to check if that program is on (like uac) but if has been decided to use it and someone has not recorded video will get def-win for other team or something else (orga. of tourny will decide about that).

5. You can try it, using the right settings, it will not create any lag.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:22 pm

it isnt really rocket science to put uac on either but somehow it takes 15 mins for some1 to put it on. so i bet this would have same issue.
+ uploading some stupid video 20mins cuz some1 asks for it isnt really my interest.
+ i dont think its any1s business how some1 plays the game. like this u can see all the moves and tactics players use and its stupid in my opinion :s
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:40 pm

maybe everuone should feel free to use it, and if you was spawned, you should post video, not opponent Wink

anyway i think that it will be hard to egzecute it as a rule :/
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:17 am

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like this u can see all the moves and tactics players use and its stupid in my opinion :s

I'm sure there will be a lot of tactics Very Happy

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maybe everuone should feel free to use it, and if you was spawned, you should post video, not opponent

Yes, could be, anyway It would have been useful to prevent buggers etc. but okey Wink
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:57 pm

I think some poeple still using 512 ram Wink So even uac3 is problem but I never tried this program so I dont have opinion. Im wonder how many mb has file after recording 15 min gameplay. Ofcorse you can change format file but I guess still some poeple has sucks speed upload.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:34 pm

"it's a good idea"

In this tournament, put smac in servers is good for ini Smile..... At this time in swat all players use cheat with ini Smile change weapons faster, norecol, precise aims, etc. etc. is easy Smile.....

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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:37 pm

The_MaSk wrote:
"it's a good idea"

In this tournament, put smac in servers is good for ini Smile..... At this time in swat all players use cheat with ini Smile change weapons faster, norecol, precise aims, etc. etc. is easy Smile.....


That's one of main reasons why tournament will be held in 1.1
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:42 pm

but it must be done with smac Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:42 pm

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"it's a good idea"

In this tournament, put smac in servers is good for ini ..... At this time in swat all players use cheat with ini change weapons faster, norecol, precise aims, etc. etc. is easy .....

+1 very useful

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That's one of main reasons why tournament will be held in 1.1

Yes, but there's not "Smac" in 99% of 1.1 servers
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:45 pm

There is no way you can play with edited inis in 1.1 expetions are: removed fps cap (Impossible to detect unless fps shows on player's screen), little changes in swat ini to improve perfomance and changes in user ini which can't be counted as cheat and they are also not detected by smac
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:53 pm

smac detects ini modified , an example? in 1.0 with smac the nrs were banned for a tournament, I said all with this. I still have the screen somewhere Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:55 pm

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There is no way you can play with edited inis in 1.1 expetions are: removed fps cap (Impossible to detect unless fps shows on player's screen), little changes in swat ini to improve perfomance and changes in user ini which can't be counted as cheat and they are also not detected by smac

Mmh, a good way to prevent it and at the same time to ban ini modifiers would be make available an untouched swat4.ini to download..
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:34 pm

1) at SWAT4v1.1 game most of *.ini files were replaced by *.bat files
2) at SWAT4v1.1 swat4.ini will be secured in only way we know:
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§46 Teams are responsible for choosing their own UAC Match IDs, Players have to play Match with `stat fps` activated via console. (penalty: Match lost)
3) SMAC will have to be activated with MarkMod installed, as we know, MarkMod cause lags (I dont know how it is with all auto-admin functions deactivated, only with SMAC `on`, can someone claryfie?)
4) as I know SMAC is buggy making BAN for nothing.

If Im wrong, pls make it clear.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:13 pm

The_MaSk wrote:
but it must be done with smac Very Happy
smac sucks hard lol Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:27 pm

nagi pls put in the server smac, and then do a test try?.....I think many will be driven out Very Happy, groped does not hurt do not you think?


Gumias.....
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:27 pm

Well

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§8 Cheat - modified game file more than SWAT4 game version 1.1 interface allows, other files or programs used in Match to make advantage to Player (excluding communication software, including ACM Admin Mod, removed FPS limit).

It means that "Swat4.ini" should be almost untouched (changes are allowed just from the interface of the game) so would be more intelligent, as i wrote, make available an untouched "Swat4.ini".

SMAC bans if you made some changes in your ini file, so we would solve many problems...

Anyway It has to be tested but could seriously solve the "problems" that uac3 can't.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:35 pm

The_MaSk wrote:
nagi pls put in the server smac, and then do a test try?.....I think many will be driven out Very Happy, groped does not hurt do not you think?


Gumias.....

I have played 200 times in a server with SMAC and what I got is more lags and less fps anyways ;D
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:45 pm

Legno wrote:
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§8 Cheat - modified game file more than SWAT4 game version 1.1 interface allows, other files or programs used in Match to make advantage to Player (excluding communication software, including ACM Admin Mod, removed FPS limit).

It means that "Swat4.ini" should be almost untouched (changes are allowed just from the interface of the game) so would be more intelligent, as i wrote, make available an untouched "Swat4.ini".

Delete Swat4.ini in your system folder and when you load game up again you will receive original ini again, Voila!
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:52 pm

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Delete Swat4.ini in your system folder and when you load game up again you will receive original ini again, Voila!

Of course It would be the most intelligent way but in order to prevent any type of problems (like "I didn't know" , "I forgot to delete" etc) would be intelligent make available this file (untouched)
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:58 pm

Gumias wrote:
The_MaSk wrote:
nagi pls put in the server smac, and then do a test try?.....I think many will be driven out Very Happy, groped does not hurt do not you think?


Gumias.....

I have played 200 times in a server with SMAC and what I got is more lags and less fps anyways ;D

yeah, but the question is that you loose FPS and you get more lags, when auto-admin actions are switched off??? (like lesslethal/weapon off for team nading etc)
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:22 pm

once again

- it's 1.1 tournament, swat is version is 1.1
- It's NOT possible to play with edited ini files in 1.1. Unless it's fps cap, prefomance changes in swat. ini (resolution, textures quality), changes in user.ini (Keybinds etc) and uselless for most changes in swatgui.ini
- SMAC does NOT detect ANY changes in these 3 files.
- SMAC is USELESS in 1.1
- all in all It's not free - SMAC reques additional payment.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:46 pm

I do not belive SMAC. Markieboy remove almost each ban when someone made appeal. So that mean even owner isnt sure in 100 % smac. Smac doing mistakes and ban innocent poeple what cant happen while tournament. It is also reason of lags on and not stable fps.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:02 pm

I was banned by smac few times only becoase I had bad pc.
Smac making too much mistakes, also it cause lags and huge "nodie". Nagi several times replyed, that in 1.1 ini hax not alowed. What is the sence of using mod, which just lag your game and do not do anything usefull?
Idk what is point of discussion about smac... All normal players know, that smac is a bugged stuff and use it as tournament anticheat - is kinda stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:12 pm

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Nagi several times replyed, that in 1.1 ini hax not alowed.

Turn 180° when you're tazed isn't detected on uac3, so I bet many people will use it... but is not allowed modify a cfg in order to increase fps that would be useful for everyone (especially for people that got a low pc). I just don't understand this point.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:17 pm

about taze, you mean situation, when you turn to aim opponent, when you are tazed, or situation where you are tazed and you are able to make turns?
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:22 pm

eeem, yea I said wrong about hax in 1.1 version. Very Happy But still "bturn=180" - standart game command same as "hands down".
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:25 pm

Both I suppose (I never tried and I'm not interested to use these things) but some friends showed me :/
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:27 pm

Legno wrote:


Turn 180°


It's not a cheat

Legno wrote:
but is not allowed modify a cfg in order to increase fps that would be useful for everyone

Who said?
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:28 pm

so we can use fps modification ? xd
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Please take a litle bit more patience during reading the rules and forum posts above.

§46 Teams are responsible for choosing their own UAC Match IDs, Players have to play Match with `stat fps` activated via console. (penalty: Match lost)
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:35 pm

§8 Cheat - modified game file more than SWAT4 game version 1.1 interface allows, other files or programs used in Match to make advantage to Player (excluding communication software, including ACM Admin Mod, removed FPS limit).
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:00 am

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but is not allowed modify a cfg in order to increase fps that would be useful for everyone

Who said?

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§8 Cheat - modified game file more than SWAT4 game version 1.1 interface allows, other files or programs used in Match to make advantage to Player (excluding communication software, including ACM Admin Mod, removed FPS limit).

= ?!

Well this rule doesn't make sense.

modified game file more than SWAT4 game version 1.1 interface allows, other files or programs used in Match to make advantage to Player -> It means you can just modify settings from SWAT4 interface

(BUT there are some exceptions)

excluding communication software -> It means that from this rule is EXCLUDED the use of communication software (like TS3, Skype etc) well you CAN use these software

including ACM Admin Mod -> It sounds like: in cheat stuff is INCLUDED the use of ACM Admin Mod, well you have to do everything from console (Switch all, Kick etc). It's ok although I don't see any reason to forbid it (It means also that you can't use RCLIENT, because It has got Admin Mod inclueded)

removed FPS limit -> It doesn't explain anything... Is it INCLUDED or EXCLUDED from the "§8 Cheat" rule? It's not clear


Anyway from your previous reply I could summarize:
You CAN use communication software
You CAN'T use ACM Admin mod, RCLIENT Utility
You CAN modify your Swat4.ini to increase your pc performance
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:42 am

Ok, you cannot modify ini, which means only clean or original can be used? from the start, this has been the case.

You can use communication software such as Teamspeak or Skype to communicate with teammate.

You cannot edit ini to have removed fps limit which is 90 fps, ok maybe its written in wrong order but: REMOVED FPS LIMIT = NOT ALLOWED AND ACM ADMIN MOD = NOT ALLOWED, only thing allowed is communication software?

is this clearer for you?


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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:12 pm

Ehm Nagi wrote another thing:

ME:
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:11 pm

Originial swat4.ini dosnt contain any unfair stuff. ini settings wich are really pushing on game perfomace can be found right in the game settings. It's not welcome to add extra lines to swat.ini but on other hand there is no actual way we will be able to check it exeption is fps limit- players will have to play with stat fps command and screens wil be reviewed via uac

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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:49 pm

"including ACM Admin Mod" - Rclient and ACM Admin Mod not allowed. you can use Gez client, you can find instalation instructions in tutorial for Antics client.

about FPS limit, Charfire`s interpretation is correct, sorry for grammar but my english is not perfect
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:49 am

For me bad idea it's not cod a referee could be enough.
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:59 am

it wont be nesesary to make videos, also we wont find ref for each match, so its only player`s business to prove that you was spawned or someone was using bug
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PostSubject: Re: New tournament rule?   Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:09 pm

It is impossible to arrange referee for each match. There is already 35 teams sing in. Anyway I learn in last cup even with referee there is allways someone who complain Wink
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